Joypad, clair que c'est de la mauvaise traduction.

Le 2010-10-04 10:10, Pierre a écrit :


En tout cas, quand Grégoire balance une telle contre-vérité (rien de distingue Joy de C+), je trouve normal de réagir. Grégoire n'a manifestement pas lu ces magazines...

Je n'ai pas dit qu'il se ressemblait, j'ai dit qu'il n'avait plus d'identité propre.

une interview carrière avec Dave Jones, y en a pas des masses...

Le 2010-10-04 12:37, Cerebus a écrit :

Je pense que oui, c'est normal que la mise en place soit largement plus importante que la vente... Après je suis pas spécialiste de la question, mais je pense que pour être présent en kiosque un peu partout il faut imprimer plus qu'on ne vend.

Here is a rundown of per annum salaries, circa 2006-2009, for Imagine Publishing (cheaper) and Future Publishing (slightly more). I know because I worked for both.

Staff writer: £11-13k
Sub editor: ~£13k
Section editors: £13-16k (news, reviews, features, community, etc)
Dep Ed: £16-18k
Full time editor £17-£21k

The upper echelons of the editor salaries are on leading magazines at Future, such as big selling "Official" titles. No idea what EDGE's editors earn, probably more than the rest, but not by much.

Keep in mind at IP you'll have the rank of a section editor, such as reviews editor, but you will be running the entire mag single handedly because they're too cheap to promote you to full time editor.
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Games magazines are extremely badly run.

At Imagine Publishing, they made me pay for my own bus ticket, to go and pick up games hardware for a photo shoot they needed - that day. There was no petty cash.

And for anyone who finds it difficult to believe that you could earn £15k as a features editor, and yet be running the entire magazine, look through various IP run magazines. Do you see how they all share the same notional "group editor", while the next highest ranking guy is some shmuck in charge of one section, but also happens to organise the magazine's day-to-day functioning.

One mag had a mass walk out, and they got the sub editor from another magazine, a woman who never played games, and they promoted her to news editor on an X360 magazine, and along with an art designer she had to by herself organise the entire magazine for a couple of issues, freelancing most of the content out to other internal writers - who of course love internal freelance, since it's the only way to earn enough so that you don't starve.

Only the big magazines like PlayUK and GTM have dedicated editors.

Because they keep you underpaid and all magazines understaffed, everyone in the company does internal freelance in their spare time, for extra cash. It's like cheap overtime for the company, and cheaper than hiring extra staff.
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No idea about Eurogamer, sorry. I've only freelanced for The Escapist and a couple of other smaller websites - freelancing technically pays more per hour of work than an in-house job so isn't a great judge of internal salaries.

Also, chronic understaffing and underpay at UK publishers has led to a culture of cheating through reviews. The sheer workload you have per week (6-8 pages or more on deadline weeks) balanced against the money you earn/hours spent earning it, means there are times when you earn less than minimum wage. One of my monthly paycheques was technically illegal, apart from the fact the hours spent on my magazine that month weren't tallied up anywhere so no one would know.
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You are also not allowed to freelance for other publications, even if they don't compete with your games writing. Meaning if you write for Monthly X360 magazine, and a local sports newspaper wants you to write a page on a recent junior tennis tournament you were in, doing so would result in instant dismissal. I know, because one writer was threatened with this, when he asked about writing an unrelated sports piece for elsewhere.

Compare this with Time Warner, where my editor on an almost monthly basis kept telling me: "John, I don't want you to give up what you love, please feel free to continue writing freelance articles on games for other publishers if you want." I didn't have the heart to tell her I'd rather see the entire games magazine world dead before doing such a thing.

Also, at Imagine Publishing, if you're caught looking for another job elsewhere, you're instantly dismissed. They actually encouraged staff to report each other if they were found to be going to interviews on their day off. So you could apply via your home internet, then book a Friday off to travel to Bath or London for interview, and if the CEO discovered this he'd get rid of you.

Which he technically could do, since the majority of staff were on a probationary period. For some this last 18 months, being extended every 6 months.

Oh man, and then there was the time the CEO forced an editor to eat a chocolate slab until he was sick, just so he could tell him: "See? You can have too much of a good thing, and that's what I think of your magazine."

Someone really should have reported him to some kind of legal employment watchdog or something, because there was genuine psychological abuse almost every day at IP, but most games writers are spineless cretins who happily eat shit just so they can keep writing about games. It's pathetic really, and that's why I think everything needs to be levelled with a B52 and several million gallons of napalm.

I would say that 100% of those at Imagine Publishing are not members of any guild or union - and from what I recall of talks with Simon, Damien and my editor, such a thing was subtly discouraged. They didn't say you couldn't join, but they didn't like it. They didn't like any kind of discussion regarding the job. Shortly after I left they made it company policy that discussing wages with other members of staff or anyone outside the company would result in instant dismissal. No one was allowed to know what others earned. And I made a point of asking everyone, which resulted in many a knuckle rapping until I chose to leave.

Keep in mind that when they started up the UK games journo awards thing in... 2008? Lots of IP staff were nominated and none of them were allowed to go - they were expressly forbidden from attending, and all because management feared they'd be headhunted by Future. I think they ended up sending one guy to represent everyone who'd been nominated at the company. They don't really like staff communicating with the outside world. Subsequent awards ceremonies were more relaxed, and nominees were allowed to go.

Le 2010-10-04 17:13, Amindada a écrit :


Pour le jeu PC, je ne vois que Joystick

Tu ne trouveras JAMAIS le "je" d'un membre de l'équipe dans ce mag, parce que ce n'est PAS le billet d'humeur d'une équipe de lycéens en manque de LOL. Les seuls avis que le mag met en avant, ce sont ceux des créateurs, parce que c'est eux qui font le jeu, et que chez Pad on a compris depuis longtemps que c'était le seul avaient un intérêt.

Le 2010-10-04 17:16, damdam a écrit :

Cerebus, j'aime ton style : "j'ai pas lu, la couv' est pas bien, comment peut on mettre 6.50 dedans"
T'es encore du genre qui achète les livres ou les jeux d'après la couv' ? La pertinence de ce niveau de réflexion est valable uniquement pour les magazines Yellow Media, ou aussi pour eux auxquels tu as collaboré ?

Le 2010-10-04 17:23, raphael a écrit :
Hum, oui, ce sont des couvertures, mais à l'intérieur?
Je vais prendre un exemple en dehors de la presse jeux vidéo. Imaginons. Je prends, le même mois, un Première et un Cahier du cinéma. Imaginons. Même couverture parce que gros film français (situation hypothétique). Ok, mais l'intérieur, les angles, les approches, le ton, la façon d'écrire seront différentes. Je prends Mad Movies et L'écran fantastique... Idem. Je prends Chro' ou, je ne sais pas, les Inrocks... Une couv', c'est de l'enrobage, ce qui attire normalement le chaland, un déclencheur d'achat.

Idem pour les news et les previews. Les grands quotidiens se "contentent" très souvent (mais c'est tout un boulot) de réécrire des dépêches AFP pour qu'elles correspondent à leur ligne éditoriale. Il n'y a pas que la réactivité qui importe, revenir avec une ou deux semaines de "retard" sur une actualité, c'est aussi la recontextualiser avec un léger recul.

Le 2010-10-04 17:21, Cerebus a écrit :

@Damdam

-- SUR LE JE---

C'est tout de même un sacré avis d'impuissance ça. Je veux dire, entre faire un jeu et en parler, il y a tout de même une satanée différence, et en plus il me semble que le but du journaliste ça doit parfois être de les contedire ces satanés développeurs quand ils disent des conneries. Ou alors faut aller bosser en RP, je pense que ça paye mieux.

Après si tu veux que je te dise que le Pad actuel est plus intéressant que Gameblog, ce sera pas bien difficile...

---SUR LE PRIX---
J'achète pas les trucs auxquels je collabore, et généralement je les lis pas. Si tu veux je peux dire que Chronic'art ne paye pas ses pigistes et que j'espère que ça va cramer. Ca te va ?

Après tu bosses dans un mag Dam, je sais pas, la couv', c'est tout de même important. Ca fait quelques mois que j'ai pas acheté Pad, la dernière fois il y avait une interview de Kamiya qui était fort bien, des news sympas mais en retard sur le web, et des tests pas plus mal écrits qu'ailleurs mais bon.

Pour le prix de huit jeux iPhone.